Posted by: uss017 | March 11, 2009

Musharraf India Today Conclave 2009

The video of the discussion in its entirety, which consists of Aroon Purie’s introductory speech, Musharraf’s keynote speech, and the subsequent extensive Q & A session can be seen here:

  • All the video clips of Musharraf’s talks and interviews in India can also be accessed here.

    The above contains a far more extensive Q & A session compared to the earlier posted transcript.

    A more convenient way of listening to Musharraf’s speech and Q & A is by clicking on these links:

    The full transcript of Musharraf’s speech can be read here (together with Purie’s introduction) — The text of the speech by Musharraf can also be read here.

    Some interesting points from the the Q & A:

  • Musharraf claimed that there is far more hostility towards Pakistan in India, even war hysteria, than there is hostility towards India within Pakistan. Musharraf mentioned how there was little or no India bashing during Pakistan’s recent election. I agree with this after following a number of Indian news channels for a while, particularly after the Mumbai terrorist attack. Literally from the first few hours into the Mumbai attack the Indian media began its massive anti-Pakistan propaganda campaign. (The hostility can also be seen in the comments we find on the India Today website. For example, consider Prabhu Chawla’s comments here, where Musharraf is labeled a “sworn enemy.” This is the same Prabhu who complained in his interview with Musharraf as to why the latter referred to India as an “enemy” in his book. Showing his duplicity, Prabhu also boasts about letting Musharraf “expose himself.” See also this, this, and this, for example).
  • Farooq Abdullah acknowledged that the closest the two countries ever came towards resolving the Kashmir dispute was under Musharraf. He said he really believed that the Kashmir dispute would be sorted out under Musharraf and testified for the former President’s sincerity.
  • An Indian Muslim, Maulana Mahmood Madani, (Rajya Sabha Member and former General Secretary of Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Hind) displayed much hostility and rudeness towards Musharraf. It was shameful to see a maulana behaving in this un-Islamic manner, throwing in the bin basic Islamic etiquette. Musharraf, however, hit back with a fitting and sharp reply much to Madani’s annoyance. This can be seen in clip no. 12 in the Q & A session.

    I suppose there is more pressure upon Indian Muslims who go out of their way to “prove” their nationalism and support for India.

  • Near the end, one Irshad Manji asked Musharraf about honor killings. Manji is a lesbian (see “A Muslim calls for reform — and she’s a lesbian“) Canadian feminist, a known Islamophobe hate-monger, and author of the book “The Trouble with Islam” (later renamed: “The Trouble with Islam Today“). Manji claims that the Quran is a “bundle of contradictions” and refers to the supposed “blatant inconsistencies” therein (See Irshad Manji, The Trouble with Islam: A Muslim’s Call for Reform in Her Faith, 2004, First Edition, St. Martin’s Press, p. 36).

    [See also “Irshad Manji on the Qur’an” and “The Trouble with Irshad” by Elvan Zelda Elcin]

    Besides advocating homosexuality and arguing that it is not contrary to the Quran (see this for instance) , Manji is also a vocal Israeli propagandist (see M. Junaid Levesque-Alam’s, “Why Liberals Fear Islam: The Only Good Muslim is the Anti-Muslim“).

    To quote Levesque Alam:

    The Trouble With Islam Today is an unhinged polemic that derides Muslims and demeans their faith.

    Musharraf obviously did not know about Manji and expressed his willingness to sit down with her and discuss honor killings etc. I hope someone can inform the President about this character and advice him to stay away from her.

  • There was a lot of hostility towards Musharraf while the questions were being fired. He was also interrupted at times. But he stood strong, confident and gave clear cut replies and refutations, defending the army and the I.S.I.

    Moverover, while Musharraf was eager to discuss core issues of tension such as Kashmir and the emerging water dispute between the two countries, Indians seemed more interested to discuss the alleged presence of Dawood Ibrahim in Pakistan (Karachi) and his handover! While for Pakistan the Kashmir dispute and the emerging water dispute are the core issues of real tension between the two countries, it seems to me that the Indians seriously believe that the actual core dispute is Ibrahim and that all will be fine and dandy between the two countries once Pakistan returned Ibrahim to India! Musharraf said that he did not know if Ibrahim was present in Pakistan and rightly continued that even if this was true, tensions between the two countries would persist even after Ibrahim’s handover. The stiff Indian resistance to take into account the whole picture and to discuss the real pressing issues and, instead, to focus on minor peripheral matters, the resolution of which would do nothing much to seriously ease relations between the two countries in the long run, is an indication of the desperation and shoddy nature of the Indian position.

    Musharraf’s overarching theme was to press the point that both India and Pakistan had engaged in unfortunate activities in the past to harm each other. He argued we needed to move forward and stop dwelling in the past, constantly accusing each other of past misdeeds. He also strongly pressed the argument that the Pakistan Army and the I.S.I. were not playing any “double game” and were fully committed in fighting terrorism and extremism. Musharraf requested the Indians to stop blaming the Pakistan Army and the I.S.I. and to put an end to their propaganda campaign. Moreover, he also discussed the Indian involvement in terrorist activities in Afghanistan against Pakistan and their support for known terrorist individuals.

    See also Musharraf’s short interview clip with Aroon Purie here.

    [All the videos of Musharraf’s talks and interviews in India can also be seen here]

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    Responses

    1. Hi,
      here is a link of complete videos of Musharraf’s recent Indian visit. . . . . . . . .
      including
      India Today Conclave Lecture & Q&A session,
      Interviews with Indian Editors,
      Post visit Press Conference. . . . . . . .

      http://cid-64b03ff167422219.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/India%20Today%20Conclave%202009

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      [Moderator: Thanks! I’ve added the link]

    2. I predicted that the Great Mush would be back within 5 yearsof his stepping down…I was politely dismissed…I think I was wrong…it will be well within 5 years .
      Good to find this blog

    3. Not as clean as he appears
      Let em start by saying that I like Mush for the strong position he takes. But unfortunately, he is not balanced in his approach and has a problem with selectiv e mishearing!. All this is again surmised in his very India Conclave speech. For example, there is clear evidence that he condoend Kargil, and uet he speaks that he always extended the hand of peace. He is so obsessed with giving out this message that only Pakistan has been thinking of peace. He showed his selective mishearing to Maulana Mahmood Madani’s question. Madani commented that Mush has started his political career by giving this speech, and Mush completely misinterpreted that. Then Mush retorted about the state of muslims in India to be oposite of what Madani believed. It is admitted that muslims have faced some discrimination in India. But in teh spirit of peace, Mush’s comment was totally unwarranted. And the state of muslims in India is a political issue wht can be resolved by people likle Madani and not people like Dawood. Trhat brings us to Mush’s denial about Dawood’s existence in Pakistan. Agree that handing Sawood ti India will not solve ll the issues, but it demonstrate the right intentions. He caused so much killings and damage to property, and Pakistan has sheltered him. And Mush says that India should forget about that and think about peace. Do you see the logic? And this approach of Mush is what I find is an anti-thesis to what he talks, giving me just the impression that he is ‘trying’ to hold is ground.
      If this forum is not biased, I believe I will see this comment posted here, unedited.

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      [Moderator’s response: Thank you for your comments H.I. This forum is most certainly biased; afterall, I am here to express my support for Musharraf. We are all biased, yourself included. I have never pretended to be 100 percent balanced or unbiased. Having said this, I approve all comments, as long as the viewpoint has been articulated politely. Thus, I approve your comment unedited above.

      A couple of points in reply:

      1. I do not find convincing the allegation that Musharraf has a “selective mishearing problem.” Madani wrongly asserted that Musharraf had begun his political career through his speech and Musharraf correctly denied that. There was no “mishearing” on Musharraf’s part in this instance. Subsequently, Madani proceeded to address Musharraf in a rude manner and Musharraf hit back with an apt response. Madani could have disagreed with Musharraf’s brief comments about the situation of Indian Muslims – which is no doubt a serious problem (for example, see this, this, this, and this). But Madani chose to disagree in an offensive manner, which was unbecoming of a “maulana.” On top of this, Musharraf did not argue that it was only in India where such problems existed. He frankly acknowledged that Pakistan also suffered from similar types of problems. So in this particular instance you have balance coming from Musharraf. So, considering the fact that Musharraf was pointing to the ills in both the Indian and Pakistani societies and discussing the causes of extremism, his comments were not “unwarranted.”

      2. Musharraf condoned kargil? I did not find him doing so in this particular speech, although I know he does condone it. But let us put this in perspective. As Musharraf has explained elsewhere, India has a rich history of launching such adventures against Pakistan. What Pakistan did in Kargil was simply a tit for tat reply; it was nothing out of the blue or “unique.” It was no different from India’s actions against Pakistan prior to Kargil, such as at Siachen. Pakistan did precisely what India had been doing in the past. So then, why pick on Pakistan? But note again Musharraf’s main message: both countries, he acknowledged, had engaged in activities to harm the other. I don’t see why you cannot appreciate this as a balanced statement.

      3. Musharraf correctly said he has extended the hand of peace to India. Farooq Abdullah is a witness to Musharraf’s sincerity on the resolution of the Kashmir dispute. This is not negated by the fact of Kargil in the past, or any other skirmishes between the two countries. Musharraf’s entire speech was one of reconciliation, where he acknowledged the mistakes and misdeeds of BOTH countries towards each other. Unfortunately, while I see a lot of reconciliatory tone and sincere introspection on the Pakistan side, the same cannot be said of India. There is still excessive and even hysterical anti-Pakistan propaganda and distortion taking place in India.

      4. Musharraf did not say nor imply that “only Pakistan has been thinking of peace.” You are reading too much into his speech. On the contrary, he did assert that he had given the hand of peace to India multiple times, but he also did not deny the efforts made by the Indian side, specifically by former Prime Minister Vajpayee.

      5. Dawood Ibrahim – Musharraf simply said he did not know whether or not Ibrahim was in Pakistan. There is no concrete evidence, as far as I can tell, that he resides in Karachi. Notice I am not denying Ibrahim’s presence in Pakistan. I am only saying: may be he is in Pakistan or may be he is not. We do not know. India needs to submit evidence to Pakistan rather than to merely make allegations via the media. But, as we both agree, the handing over of Dawood will have no long lasting positive impact between our countries as long as the ACTUAL and CORE problems remain, chiefly the Kashmir dispute. But, moving on, consider Musharraf’s next point: would India be willing to hand over Afghan terrorists to Pakistan as well? Terrorists whom the Indians have facilitated – according to Musharraf – and even invited to India? If you demand the handover of Ibrahim, then lets have it both ways: BOTH Indian and Pakistan must agree to handover each others terrorists. It cannot work if you demand only Pakistan to hand over terrorists but refuse to handover your own protected terrorists to Pakistan. ]

    4. Hello Dear Hi!
      The event was organised by The Business Community of India,which is highly appreciatable.
      They want Peace in the region and surely that is what we want.
      President Musharraf could have said no ,but he chose to take this oppertunity to speak to Indian People and try to bring the bariers down.

      So what is out of context here if Musharraf spoke about Peace in the region and facilitating oppertunities or suggesting joint business ventures.

      I think people were hostile towards Musharraf and they missed the oppertunity to relate to the most influential person ,who can really make a huge difference.

      The points brought up could have been put to him in a better way.
      1.On Madni
      That was just a statement by Mr.Madni ,unfortunately the world does not agree with this stance of his.(Not only Muslims ,Christians and Sikh I mean just look at the human rights reports )
      However people of Pakistan are in no doubts that Muslims of India chose to stay in India ,they do not need to spell it out to Musharraf.

      This is a reality which Musharraf family came to terms with in 1947,what should be his response.
      He can smile only.

      2.Kargil issue happened when Musharraf was Army COAS .Of course he had to respond to any aggression or any incidence he thought which can pose threat to Pakistan.

      Peace process doesnot mean that he does not have to defend or respond to an aggression.
      The Peace process cannot progress if we keep refering back to history.That was the point of Musharraf and a valid one.

      3.On Dawood Ibrahim,I think Musharraf responded responsibly and openly ,”Pakistan is not sponsoring or breeding Terrorism.”

      4.Musharraf over and again emphasised he wanted to move forward and was trying to look for solutions.

      Indian Public has conveyed the message ;that do not even think about it.The very presence of people like Farooque Abdullah and Madni clearly emphasised one thing ,India has not accepted Pakistan as an Independednt state and they carry huge prejudice against Sovreign of Pakistan .

      India does not want any Peace but wants to take over Pakistan in the name of culture ,peace and regional friendship .

      None of the representetives of Indian civil society were able to refute what Musharraf asked:
      Why Raw is involved in Afghanistan?
      Raw must stop working inside Pakistan?
      The presence of Indian army inside Afghanistan around the border area of Pakistan?

      I would have appreciated if any of the eminent memebers of Civil,Humane and Democratic Indian Society would have responded to that ??

    5. hi moderator,
      can we communicate directly? i believe there are somethings i will learn.
      i contend the very idea that a forum should be biased. then there is no point in discussion. the core of the issue is peace, like you agree. however, such biased forums do not help it. however, one is free to express their biased opinions, then lets not call it a forum.

      HI

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      [Moderator: You can reach me at: musharrafsupporters@gmail.com. To your comments, this is basically a blog where I post my personal views (as do other writers) and where we then allow people to post comments underneath the articles (both agreeable and contrary viewpoints) – I have never used the word “forum” to describe this blog. Everyone involved is biased: me, other writers, and those posting comments such as yourself. There is no such thing as an “unbiased” person. Being biased by itself is not a problem as long as you are willing to tolerate opposing viewpoints and are willing to give someone the benefit of doubt, granting the possibility that you could be wrong in your views and presuppositions. That is my basic approach here. Thus, this blog medium can be and has been a place for dialogue. I see no reason why peace cannot be discussed here. Be that as it may, I wish you all the best.]

    6. hello,
      i just want to thanks mr. musharraf for coming india. despite the fact that he was advised not to come here.
      During his tenure we were having good relation with pakistan. as our leader were also comfuratable against him.
      i have many muslim friend here in india and there are very happy in india.
      as far m consult there is no eneminityyy between common man of pakistan and india both want peace. I There for request mr musharraf to become president of pakistan once again if possible.

    7. We have to decide today one things that is

      we are the real supporters of Ex President General Rt. Pervaiz Mushraff or not.

      Why not we will spend the money for media, Pakistani media or electronic media is running only on commercilism basis.

      GEO DAWN AND EXPRESS BOUGHT BY NAWAZ SHARIF ARY 50 AND 50

      THEY ARE HAPPY TO CONVEY ANY MESSAGES ON GEO OR ARY

      I AM STRUGGLING MY LIFE IN LONDON BUT I WANT TO SEND A MESSAGES TO NAWAZ SHARIF AND SHAHBAZ SHARIF THE “ALAMBARDAR OF DEMOCRACY AND JUDICIARY”

      I WARN TODAY THAT WE SHOULD BE ‘BE PAKISTANI’ THEY WAY NAWAZ AND HIS PARTY PLAYING THE GAME, LOOKS LIKE BUT SURE PAKISTAN IS DIVIDING IN 4 PIECES – THERE ARE 3 MORE PROVINCES I.E

      BLOUCHISTAN
      SINDH
      NWFP

      IF POUPLATIONS WISE PUNJAB IS GREAT
      SO SINDH IS PORT WISE IS KING

      NAWAZ SHARIF IS PLAYING THE SAME GAME WHICH SHEIKH MUJIB UR REHMAN WAS PLAYING

      COME ON WAKE UP PEOPLES

      SAFE PAKISTAN

      NO GEO
      NO ARY
      NO EXPRESS

      INDIA IS HAPPY AND AMERICANS IS HAPPY TO TAKE PAKISTAN

      WE DONT HAVE THE LEADERSHIP

      THE PERSON WHO HAS ALL CAPABILITY AND I AM SURE 99 PERCENT EDUCATED PEOPLES OF PAKISTAN SAY GREAT EX PRESIDENT GENERAL RETIRED PERVAIZ MSUHRAFF

      PLEASE DONTATE OUR MESSAGES FOR GEO AND ARY

      THIS IS THE BEST TIME

      TIME WILL NOT COME BACK AGAIN

      THE ROD IS HOT , SO ROD IS SAYING DO IT

      I SUGGEST F RAJA TO COLLECT THE MONEY
      FROM US
      I WILL PREPARE ALL THINGS

      EVERY MEMBER SHOULD PAY 50 POUNDS

      IF THEY LOVE EX PRESIDENT

      BUT WAIT UNTIL 17TH

      BECAUSE MIGHT BE AND THERE IS CHANCE
      THAT IF SOMETHING GOING WORST ON MONDAY AND TUESDAY

      ARMY IS TAKING OVER BUT THERE IS ALSO NEWS

      THAT THEY WILL INVITE EX PRESIDENT TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT WELL I AM SURE

      NASEER

    8. Sushant
      I like your response .In my analysis despite wars and angry crowds and exchange of angry dialogues and fires ,I am surprised at the essence people at the both sides of the border are not hostile towards each other .
      unless specific contexts of the history are related to people .
      Both nations are confident.Unfortaunately we have termoil and unrest because of political leadership which is not very capable.
      Musharraf was an army person and that is why he had the understanding of the issues at deeper level.
      He is a civilian now but the world knows he is the best leader we had in last dacade.
      Only if people of Pakistan realise it.If he comes to power ,I ma sure new and democratic leadership will emerge under him with clear vision.
      He is so important for Pakistan ,for the region and for World at large.
      Peace must prevail and I am highly appreciative of Musharraf contribution towards peace.

    9. Well who is with Ex President i want to know
      if PM exectuive order Justice Iftikhar Choudhry reistated today then we have to put our petitions with top lawyers of pakistan , are you all ready to spend money , i am ready to call SHARIF UDDIN PIRZADA AND ABDUL HAFIZ PIRZADA
      IF THEY WANT WORST I WANT WORST

      PLEASE BE HONEST AND

      MR. MODERATORS ARE YOU READY

    10. Thank you thecurrentaffairs.com Develop a website to the support of president of Mushraaf.
      Inshallah we can soon See Sir Pervaiz Mushraf Again in Power.

      Thank you admin

    11. Dear All,

      I was begining to think I was the only one who thought that President Pervais Musharraf was a fantastic and honest President and here I am amongst some honest and noble people who actually understand what great things our dear President did for us. I will support our former President and hope to God that he rules again (Insha Allah). But unfortunately, the Prophets'(SAW) saying comes to mind and that is , “Near the end of time, the ruler of the country will be the worst of the people”. Unfortunately, the people of Pakistan deserve their rulers today and I certainly hope that our “Mushy” (Said with endearment only) holds power again and makes Pakistan the country it should be, with the help of God and His Messenger (SAW).

      I don’t have anything in particular to say except that I love the country of my parents birth and want Pakistan the country it should be and not owned by criminals as it is today.

      Infact, one point comes to mind- Aitzaz Ahsan, isn’t he the traitor that gave the names of the sikhs who wanted separation from India and wanted Khalastan? Why does nobody in Pakistan remember this and why has the Chief Justice let him off for giving up State secrets?

      There is so much wrong in Pakistan and what will happen to Pakistan, I only fear.

      Sallam to all.

      Mahmood Ahmed
      (At President Musharafs’service)

    12. Hey Musharaf is the great leader and defend Pakistan bravely. He is a leader.

    13. About an Indian Muslim, Maulana Madni’s point at India Today’s Conclave, I as an Indian Muslim have following to say.

      This particular stand is a routine reply of an Indian to Pakistani and is very true and very genuine. However coming from the man who is identified as Maulana Madni, it smells more of politics than that of Musharraf’s politics. Afterall Musharraf was an identified politician, played politics, changed his role from militaryman to that of president and was virtually a dictator. However this gentleman the Maulana is clearly trying to appease pseudo-nationalists – those holier than thou kind of nationalists. It is he who is really playing politics and has a good record of political aspirations even though coming from supposedly non-political field. He is a Mullah and a Mullah do not ideally represent an Indian Muslim even though a common Indian Muslim too would have replied the same words.

      But please beware of trusting Mullahs, more so after having seen their counterparts working like devil in Afghanistan and Pakistan and elsewhere. The world is now more pissed off of Mullahs than Musharrafs. Good that devil and deep sea has come face to face. Now in God alone ideally we must trust and definitely not on any Mullah.

      Maulana Madni indeed sound rude and negating that style as well as negating him as representative and also negating even his motive, rest words, believe it or not, are the words of majority of Indians, including Muslims and Musharraf replied to that if it is so he would be most happy. So here we have no issues. I believe he genuinely would mean that, if Indian Muslims are really happy in India. And the good news for all at Pakistan is that yes, most of us are really happy to be Indian.

      But my concern for India and even Pakistan’s civil society makes me to caution all of us here from Mullahs first, dictators second, politicians third. Disciplined Army- under civilian control, and civilians under their own control without giving in to corruption would be the ideal and far better situation for both the countries.

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      [Moderator: Thank you very much for your comments Sadaf. I agree and disagree with some of your observations.

      I agree that Madani’s type of reply is very common from the Indian side, although I do not think there is anything “very true” or “very genuine” about it. I come from a mixed family, with a number of relatives still in India, together with a number of Indian friends. So I know something about Indian Muslims. Based on what I have read and seen thus far, Musharraf was absolutely right in commenting upon the, overall, dismal state of Muslims in India. This reality is simply a fact, though I know many Indian Muslims prefer to deny this when having discussions with non-Indians (I have witnessed this personally plenty of times). There are plenty of detailed reports on the subject of the state of Indian Muslims online. There was nothing “wrong” for Musharraf to have drawn attention to the tragic events of Gujrat and the state of Muslims in India. Madani, besides being rude, threw a tantrum that had no relevance to Musharraf’s statement. For example, SO WHAT if there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan (though I have heard that now there are more Muslims in Pakistan than in India)? SO WHAT if Pakistan has also witnessed racial tensions from time to time (though nothing comparable to the scale of violence we have seen in India)? None of these points made by Madani had any relevance to Musharraf’s statement and did nothing to counter it. Musharraf counter response to Madani was a perfect and sweet. I was amused by seeing Madani and his friends (religious Muslims, judging from their caps and beards) jumping in anger in the background eager to say something in reply).

      It was just the rudeness of the whole episode which took me by surprise. I would have been equally upset had a Pakistani treated an invited Indian guest in such a manner. ]


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